No Such Thing As Free Health Care

"When it comes to the social contract, perhaps you should take some of your own advice and leave, as you suggested Lauren do when she questioned your obviously brilliant mind."


There are HUNDREDS of countries on this planet that have adopted various forms of collectivist bullshit. There are, as have been aptly pointed out OVER AND OVER, an endless supply of nations that have socialized health care, and a host of other issues. If you don't like to be offended you can move to Canada today and appeal to their lovely "human rights commissions" on "hate speech".

If you don't care very much about liberty you can go ANYWHERE YOU WANT.

Where the FUCK am I going to go?? America is hardly the land of the free anymore, but compared to Europe or Canada, or Asia or the Middle East?

You act like there's just some other place I can pick up and move to, and there isn't. If there was, I'd probably already be working out a way to do so. If I could just look around the world and find a country that has something similar to the US constitution that's actually not being used as toilet paper by the government, I would happily just go there. That place doesn't exist and America, as corporatist as it is, and as many freedoms are gone or are vanishing, is still better on that scale than anywhere else... And hell, I'd like ot think its salvageable.

Anyway, your twist on my valet example fails in it's premise sir, the grandfather has no right to make any contract for me what-so-ever. That was what I was pointing out. The social contract idea is a valid idea, provided that each individual can opt out. No one can opt out, so in reality, it's a very weak concept.

At any rate, I like how you try to pretend that I'm using ad homs when I've linked to sources, and consistently argued the point. That some people are douchebag trolls and not thinking enough is a separate issue.

And YES johnny john john, it

IS time to change our system. But unless you learn the history of our system, the incentives that are in play now and how they got there, then you're going to miss the point and change it for the worse. No one here is arguing that the status quo is as good as it should be. But you guys keep recommending pushing farther down the road that got us where we are already. It's madness... Government already pays for some 60% of health care in this country and, while costs have skyrocketed and quality and innovation has declined as government involvement has increased, you all want to increase it some more??

That's just insane. And while I get that no one likes history very much, right now is the right time to start paying attention to it.

"And if, we the people decide that we will pay higher taxes to help out our fellow citizens, then we all must..."

...I hope you realize that this is exactly the kind of statement that I'm referring to when I say tyranny of the majority. If "we the people" decide that 10% of the population is going to be enslaved, then "we all must go along with it". If "we the people" decide that the bill of rights isn't worth shit, then we all must lose our liberties (already happened). If "we the people" decide that it's cool to aggressively attack a foreign country, then we all must pay for it.

But so much of the time, it isn't "all" of us who pay for these things. The costs of socialized medicine aren't being born by everyone are they? No... A sizable chunk of the US barely pays any taxes at all, but they won't have to pay for anyone else. It's not "society" that bears the cost when somebody decides that "we the people" need a new mini-mall built over the top of some guy's home and the "people" claim eminent domain and level the guy's place over his objections.

We live in a republic, you asshole. A republic that is supposed to be accompanied by guaranteed liberties. So YES... My moral objections

do trump your bullshit authoritarianism. There are certain things that, according to our own constitution, "We the people" are not allowed to do against others. If you want to change the constitution, then do it... But right now, you're shitting all over it and pretending that it's all good cause it's what a majority wants. Well that's EXACTLY what the constitution is designed to limit.

I have three quotes for you:

"A Bill of Rights is what the people are entitled to against every government, and what no just government should refuse, or rest on inference."

"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government."

Know who said all that? Thomas Jefferson.

Does that seem like the direction you're pushing? Not so much. So frankly, that you think it's even remotely valid for you to invoke the words, "we the people" just pisses me off. These schemes of conscription and taxation are the complete opposite of what the writers were talking about.

So happy Independence Day everybody.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

The slow shift of our government away from its original idea - all for light and transient causes - and without any attempt at an honest revision of the Constitution itself, pushes us towards the tyranny this nation was founded to escape.

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